#53- How to Grow Through The Grit, Turn Setbacks into Power Moves, and Craft a Personal Brand That Stands Out | Empowerment & Career Advice

[00:00:00] Loree Philip: Hi. Welcome to the daring to leap podcast. I'm your host, Loree Phillip. What is the secret ingredient that turns life's obstacles into stepping stones for success. In this episode of daring to leap our special guest, Jasmine Hawthorne will uncover why growing through grit could be , your ultimate game changer. In both your personal and professional journey and don't miss Jasmine's invaluable insights on creating a personal brand that stands out. And how you can turn setbacks into power moves. Let's dive in.

[00:00:37] Loree Philip: Our special guest, Jasmine Hawthorne is here. Jasmine has worked with client facing business executives for over 15 years in fortune 100 companies. Her fresh perspective and courageous leadership style has left an influential impact at several iconic brands.

[00:00:57] Loree Philip: As a business owner, Jasmine established the [00:01:00] Valley Pearl, a corporate consulting firm providing keynotes on leadership, DEI, and talent. Coaching executives one on one and coaching teams through group settings, she is most known for being the leader's coach, guiding good leaders to be great leaders in uncertain times.

[00:01:19] Loree Philip: Welcome to the show, Jasmine. Thank

[00:01:22] Jasmine Hawthorn: you, Lori. I appreciate it. Good to see you.

[00:01:24] Loree Philip: Good to see you, too. And I really, I can't wait to hear all the amazing things that you're working on right now and doing. But I really want to get started with you is to hear a bit more about your background. You really had.

[00:01:40] Loree Philip: a lot of experience in corporate and for quite a number of years. Can you tell us about your career journey and what really, what really caused you to make that change?

[00:01:53] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yeah. I always say like the career journey is kind of indicative of where you're [00:02:00] where you're headed next. Right? So if you think of each job, it may not all make sense, but tying them together kind of tells the story of why I am where I am today.

[00:02:10] Jasmine Hawthorn: But I started my corporate career as a recruiter. So folks who don't know that behind the scenes, almost like a sales job, like how are you finding great talent? So for a while as a recruiter, I moved up, then became a supervisor of recruiters. And my career started to transition into I started to figure out there's this other ways that I can grow my career.

[00:02:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: So I got into employment marketing and I love that piece of it. And slowly but surely over the last 15 years, I had about nine promotions that took me from recruitment to the vice president of global campus recruitment. And so, Three iconic companies, amazing teams, but I really just love that slice of the world where I got to kind of be the person welcoming in awesome talent at all levels.

[00:02:57] Jasmine Hawthorn: And so that kind of is why I am where I am today. [00:03:00] But to your other question about like, how did I get here? I think making the shift out of corporate into entrepreneurship for me. I have to tell you I love the corporate space. I love the nuances and that's not for everybody. And I get most people go, Oh, that's strange, but I, I love the intricacy of like how the business units work together and how we wide revenue together. But for me, I realized I started to coach people on my team because that's what I do is make sure that everyone's getting what they need to get better.

[00:03:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: And then slowly, but surely other partners in mind were like saying, Hey. Can you coach this person? My team, they're struggling with X. I heard you're good with helping them negotiate salary or building their brand or whatever the case may be, or they're a first time leader. Can you help me coach them better?

[00:03:46] Jasmine Hawthorn: And with some loving push from friends and family, they're like, that's a full time job. So I had her executive role. I mean, I was coaching for free internally and externally for years. And then I realized [00:04:00] kind of this quiet moment. With God and he said, listen, there's more women to be served outside of these walls.

[00:04:07] Jasmine Hawthorn: And for me I'm a mom of two young girls and I want more women to know how to articulate their value, navigate the world of work in a really powerful way, authentic way. And so. Making that leap was kind of, I had to kind of be pushed into it but I, but I don't regret it one bit.

[00:04:30] Loree Philip: Hmm.

[00:04:31] Loree Philip: Yeah, this is so interesting. I haven't heard as much like an external push from somebody who's made a leap a lot, a lot of examples of internal reasons. Anywhere from I was so burned out. I just need to figure it out to I really wanted to do this And I just had to find the courage to leave what I had built up for years to go do it So I love that your friends and family [00:05:00] were supportive enough to kind of push you outside of your comfort zone beyond What was the inner dialogue for you around, okay, I, I worked at some iconic brands, right?

[00:05:17] Loree Philip: Like I have this on my resume. Am I ready to go do this on my own? What, what did that look like for you? And how did you get past any of those doubts that I imagine might've come up for you?

[00:05:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yeah, it's a good juicy question. So, for me, I think the biggest thing was, um, if I'm honest I have family and friends and people in the industry go why would you walk away from that big company or that big role?

[00:05:48] Jasmine Hawthorn: But at the same time, I was kind of getting bored. I knew how to do my thing really well, you know what I mean? And so I knew how to do it with my eyes closed or if a big situation would happen at [00:06:00] work. Okay, this is how we're going to solution it. This is how we're going to project manage our way out of this.

[00:06:05] Jasmine Hawthorn: This is how we're going to solve and move forward. And I love that, but it was no longer a challenge. And as a former collegiate athlete, so I used to play volleyball, I'm always looking for what's like, how can I get better at something new? How can I do something different? And so the thought was if this entrepreneurship thing doesn't work out, I've got a skill set that I can take anywhere. And I've got roles that I've turned down, so I will be okay. But the other dialogue and, for me, it's always these whispers from God. I said, listen, I'm not going to jump unless you tell me it's time to jump. And I just remember God saying you and these girls will be just fine.

[00:06:45] Jasmine Hawthorn: And that was the kind of mantra for me. And every time. A contract came through or a big opportunity came through in entrepreneurship. I heard that you and these girls will be just fine and everything was was there for me to step [00:07:00] forward. And so I think part of it is just not over orchestrating. The broad picture.

[00:07:05] Jasmine Hawthorn: It's what are the things that I need to do next? To make this a reality? What are the things I need to do today? And so breaking those moments down instead of getting overwhelmed by I'm jumping from this safety net to an unknown space really kind of calmed my nerves and got me to a place of Really betting on myself for the first time in a long time.

[00:07:30] Loree Philip: I love that so much. I got chills when you were talking about those whispers that you received and it's so powerful and I love this connection you have in what you're doing to your daughters. And I have a similar one with mine. So my daughter, she's six and she was born with this big, beautiful, bright personality smile.

[00:07:54] Loree Philip: She has that twinkle in her eye. And at some point, and my [00:08:00] company is called we spark at some point. I looked at her and I thought to myself, my job is going to be to help you keep that sparkle in your eye, that twinkle in your eye, that you never lose that spark. Because you know how, over time, through life, we, We get, we get bogged down and we lose that and I just couldn't, I couldn't do that for her that's like my, my one thing.

[00:08:29] Loree Philip: And so through that we can find so much purpose and so much energy to move forward.

[00:08:36] Jasmine Hawthorn: I love that you, your daughter's like an anchor for you and how you operate. And similarly with the women I've. Been honored to coach in corporate and executive roles. There is a little girl in each one of them that I can see who's they won't have that struggle.

[00:08:53] Jasmine Hawthorn: They once had that tenacious grit that you can do anything. They could wear the skirt and the big hat or boots [00:09:00] and just go after their dreams as a little girl. But somewhere along the way in the workplace whether it be Community or how they were raised or doubt that they've inflicted upon themselves or that their leaders have inflicted on them that sparkled in.

[00:09:16] Jasmine Hawthorn: And so for me, one of the first things I talk about with women, I coach is, I know oftentimes we won't put ourselves first, but who are you saying no to if you don't go after this next opportunity, if you don't take that next step. And for me, it was the same way I can easily put myself on the back burner, but I refuse to let my.

[00:09:37] Jasmine Hawthorn: Uncourageous moment be a no for my kids or my girls or my moment of like uncertainty or doubt be a no for them because I refuse to have that moment where they're like, we can't go to Disney or we can't go to dance lessons anymore because mom was afraid to step forward. And so, it's personal and also like cyclical, like I'm going to reach the little [00:10:00] girl at the young age, the ones that I birthed and the little girl within the executives that I coached because they're there.

[00:10:05] Jasmine Hawthorn: And we work together and then after that they're on fire.

[00:10:09] Loree Philip: Yes, yes. I, I resonate with that so, so much. We're going to shift gears a bit here, Jasmine, and I'd love for you to share with me, tell me about growth through the grit.

[00:10:20] Jasmine Hawthorn: Grow Through The Grit is one of my keynotes that I've given a handful of times.

[00:10:25] Jasmine Hawthorn: Really about this notion that when we hit gritty situations, mostly in the corporate space or growing our careers, we're not, we're not usually given a roadmap of how to get through that. We, we were given a roadmap, how to get ahead to enroll. Or for many other things. But when you get stuck somewhere, what do you do?

[00:10:47] Jasmine Hawthorn: And like you mentioned, my company's called the Valley Pearl. When you think about the pearl it literally has to go through the grit to be seen in the most beautiful state. And the kind of four nuggets that [00:11:00] I talk about are really based on the fact that People will look at me on LinkedIn or, or maybe your podcast and go, Oh, she has it all put together.

[00:11:08] Jasmine Hawthorn: She's so smart. She's she has her background and this, that, and the third. And the reality is I've had so many gritty situations that have prepared me for this moment. And so I never want people to look at me going, she was born that way. I do have some, some strong DNA and good genes, but I still had to figure out how to grow through the grit.

[00:11:29] Jasmine Hawthorn: And kind of just some nuggets or takeaways for your folks listening. My note takers out there, the G and grow through the grid is really about giving yourself permission to feel the fields. Oftentimes you suck it up, hold it in, but if you're going through a hard time feeling. It's okay.

[00:11:50] Jasmine Hawthorn: You're human. I said, I would say, give yourself a budget of time to feel that that emotion though. Give yourself some time. And then the R really is rise to the occasion. What is [00:12:00] happening in that moment? What is required of you? In that moment, once you've had a chance to feel your feelings. And then as we think about the eye, it's really about identifying your people in that space, who can help carry you through, who could help guide you through.

[00:12:15] Jasmine Hawthorn: And then once you make it, cause you will. Yeah. Cause you're still here. The T is about telling your story. I think that's the powerful piece is that oftentimes we will go through some amazing things or hard things, trying times, and refuse to tell our story out of shame or out of fear of what would be perfect to put together.

[00:12:36] Jasmine Hawthorn: But that storytelling helps unlock someone else. To get to their next level and so really growing through the greatest like the road map to get you through the hard times. So you can get to your best times

[00:12:46] Loree Philip: there. There's so much there. Jasmine. I love that for so many reasons and one of them is. And I found this more to be true for myself since I left.

[00:12:59] Loree Philip: I almost see it as [00:13:00] when I left corporate, I left my comfort zone. And so the grit part, the hard times part has been coming up more and more and more for me and more frequency than it had been before. And it's really, From what I can tell also the most powerful, the most impactful, because when I hit a wall, when I hit something hard, that is where I have so much room for growth.

[00:13:32] Loree Philip: That grow part. If we just keep doing the same things all the time, there is no growth. And it it just, so I appreciate. Where you're coming from and the thoughtfulness around the acronym. I love acronyms. I know my corporate friends love acronyms To help us like really see the pieces and the the storytelling part I've [00:14:00] found that to be More and more true through my podcasting journey, because you're right, people it's you're going to learn something from going through your own challenges.

[00:14:14] Loree Philip: Yes. And you can help others learn from just the story of your challenges. And it's it's almost like when people think, I don't have anything to say. And we're going to talk about personal branding in a little bit. But when, when people think about, I don't know, I don't really have anything to say on social media.

[00:14:35] Loree Philip: I really don't have any thought leadership on this or that. But we do because we have grown so much. Hit so many challenges. And if you can be vulnerable enough to put that out there, I promise you and you and I'm sure I can. I'm gonna get your thoughts on this. People resonate with that. People are attracted to [00:15:00] that and and people will.

[00:15:02] Loree Philip: Find what they need to find within that story and apply it to what they need to hear in the moment. And it's so powerful. Yeah, I

[00:15:12] Jasmine Hawthorn: know. It's 100 percent true. And, I started to think back to when I was coaching women in corporate by day and by night, I had three jobs. But, what was connecting?

[00:15:22] Jasmine Hawthorn: And I didn't realize that I was just being me, right? Being authentic, like you said, or being transparent. I was telling them the stories of the time I didn't get their promotion. And how I was already doing the work. I was already, all the other leaders were like, Oh yeah, Jasmine's going to get that role.

[00:15:36] Jasmine Hawthorn: And I didn't. Right. And so I had to deal with the humanity of myself, deal with, Oh my gosh, the shame of what are people going to say? And then picking myself back up and putting myself back out there. And so, and for folks who don't know my journey or my stories, cause there's many for them to just look at where I'm at today, they're like, Oh yeah, of course she's there.

[00:15:59] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yeah. [00:16:00] But when you start to go, Oh, she got there in spite of these stories or these stories helped her to build. Muscle to get to that next level. I think that's so huge and so powerful and no one gets to the top unscathed. Like we have bumps and bruises and I just want people to know that's part of the journey.

[00:16:18] Jasmine Hawthorn: If you lean into it, like you said it can really be part of an amazing story for you to share later.

[00:16:25] Loree Philip: Hmm. Yeah. And this actually comes up quite often in these conversations that I'm having with people and it's, you're right. I think. When we look at somebody at their, their final, like, where they are today, you, it wasn't one leap, as you mentioned earlier, it wasn't one step.

[00:16:46] Loree Philip: It's typically, and it's quite messy, a lot of steps and then falling and then steps and falling, but the trajectory over time. Goes up along the way and those [00:17:00] places, what I've noticed is the places where I've fallen, sometimes those are blessings in disguise and it's, it's okay, I needed to learn this.

[00:17:11] Loree Philip: And if I hadn't, I would be stuck or I would be in a different place that I wasn't meant to be stuck in. And so, good, bad, or indifferent is part of the process. And I, I like that you're humanizing it because it is, it's part of being human and part of the growth process.

[00:17:29] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yeah. Can I, can I share something?

[00:17:34] Jasmine Hawthorn: Coaching hat is always on and I sometimes try to take it off, but it's there. I remember one point where I basically built out what would be my new role. And they ended up hiring someone else for this vice president role. And every leader that interviewed me, I was like, okay it was like, you've got this, you're, you're going to be great.

[00:17:53] Jasmine Hawthorn: I didn't get the job, but after I felt my feelings rose to the occasion, I didn't find my people. One of the things [00:18:00] I did was I went back out to all those leaders and of course thank them for their time. But I said, I would love to still shadow you'd be mentored by you see how else I can be ready for the next opportunity.

[00:18:11] Jasmine Hawthorn: And I did my part in that relationship. I drove it. To the point now where anyone who's on that interview panel, and if they ever hear this, they're gonna laugh, I could call them up, I can text them, and they're like, Hey, I got an opportunity for you. I know someone. So though, though I didn't get the job I was after, I've got six amazing executives in my corner who know that I know how to triumph through trial, who know that I will keep going after what's next.

[00:18:36] Jasmine Hawthorn: I will help the person who got the job which that takes some humility and because of that I've built stock, I've built my brand with them in such a way that they are happy to co sign on anything I do. And so I think that's part of it too, is how do you make what looks like a bad opportunity or you not getting what you wanted into kind of a lifelong.

[00:18:58] Jasmine Hawthorn: Play that you can pull from.

[00:18:59] Loree Philip: [00:19:00] Hmm. Yeah. I'm glad you shared that story because it does put it into perspective of what's possible after we do the work, because it's to your point, there are feelings, there are disappointments, there are hardships that come about when some, a door closes or something doesn't go your way.

[00:19:21] Loree Philip: But after that. Stepping forward into what is in my control. How can I empower myself in this situation to make the most of it? And that right there is so powerful. And. Not a lot of people model that in this day and age so it can really help a person stand out, which is what I heard you do in your approach as I guarantee you none of the other candidates that didn't make it.

[00:19:49] Loree Philip: Crafted that kind of robust support system following not getting that particular role. Yeah. So kudos to you, Jasmine. [00:20:00]

[00:20:00] Jasmine Hawthorn: There's a funny like Denzel quote. It says I'm gonna leave here with something. I was like, I may not get this job. I'm gonna leave here with something.

[00:20:07] Loree Philip: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one.

[00:20:11] Loree Philip: It's and it's a lot around learning from the, through the journey. Right. Yeah. It's, it's not about getting the trophy. It's about the person you need to become along the way to pick up that trophy. Yes. And when you get it, you're like, Oh, I knew this. I'm good. You know what I mean? It's, it's almost not a big deal.

[00:20:33] Loree Philip: Once you get there.

[00:20:34] Jasmine Hawthorn: Cause there's nothing worse. And we've all seen this. There's nothing worse than someone getting blessed with the trophy and it being too big or too heavy for them to carry. And so it's if you haven't been doing the work or putting in the rest or actually keeping your head down and like getting in the gym, for lack of better words, when you do get it, or if you get it prematurely, are you suit and able and capable of carrying it and carrying it well?

[00:20:59] Jasmine Hawthorn: The [00:21:00] leadership role that you want is going to require a new version of you and are you humble enough to evolve into that person? So yes.

[00:21:08] Loree Philip: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, I want to talk a bit about personal branding with you. And one of the reasons why I want to bring this up is you support a lot of really great leaders who are in their own right, very competent, capable.

[00:21:30] Loree Philip: for that next level, but there's something that's not quite getting them from a to B and in our conversation previously, a lot of that has to do with personal branding. Can you talk to me a bit about why it's so important?

[00:21:47] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yes. And especially for folks in the corporate space who.

[00:21:52] Jasmine Hawthorn: Typically may work for like iconic names. We'll usually kind of rest their laurels on when I look for a new job, I can [00:22:00] say I've worked at X company and that's great. That's the consumer brand. Right? But what's your brand? And so I think sometimes we inflate our brand or merge it with the company's brand.

[00:22:11] Jasmine Hawthorn: And quite honestly there, even if you're one year into your career or you've been in your career 20 plus years, there is time for you to not just build your brand, but establish it. Probably already have a brand, whether you know it or not, and that brand really is the indicator of whether your name is going to be mentioned in rooms with or without you.

[00:22:34] Jasmine Hawthorn: It's going to be an indicator of whether or not people advocate for you behind the scenes. And so you want to be more in control. You mentioned this earlier. Lori is control your controllables. You can control your brand. You can control the narrative that's out there if you craft it and put it out there.

[00:22:50] Jasmine Hawthorn: If you don't, if you're a passenger in your own brand story. People can say, you know what? She's so great. She brings the great food to the potluck and we just love that [00:23:00] about her. And all of a sudden you're known as the potluck lady versus, and it's true because you might look like, oh, well this is I want to look like a team player.

[00:23:09] Jasmine Hawthorn: Do you see the chief HR officer or the CMO bringing in potluck food? No, she, he or she is focused on deliverables on cultivating great team and a great culture. So I know not to folks that like to bring food to work. But my point is. What is it that you want to be or become and what does it take to get there and do those things really well?

[00:23:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: The branding piece is huge and I and I think that it's an opportunity that does not take a big lift But it takes some thoughtfulness for sure

[00:23:42] Loree Philip: Yeah, I, I agree. Personal branding isn't really something I thought about when I was in my corporate career. And when you look at the topic out in the, on the internet and on podcasts and things like that, A lot of it is focused [00:24:00] on personal branding for entrepreneurs, for people that have businesses, business owners, and maybe like C suite types.

[00:24:11] Loree Philip: And so I think we miss something in there that we can leverage this concept. As you point out, if you're new in your career, if you're, you've been seasoned in your career, what, what are some things that a person can do if they're like, if they're thinking about, you know what, I do need to work on my personal brand.

[00:24:30] Loree Philip: I need to be intentional about what is perceived about me, my narrative in, in my work environment. Where does the person get started

[00:24:40] Jasmine Hawthorn: with that? Yeah. First thing I'll say is this. People cannot buy what they don't know is for sale. Okay, so if you have an amazing skill set or a talent that no one knows about, it's because you haven't told them.

[00:24:54] Jasmine Hawthorn: And as as simple as that sounds, that's really the starting point. It's [00:25:00] sitting down and saying and drafting out. Okay, today I'm known as this, or I'm known as the person who has great PowerPoints, and I really want people to know that I'm a great leader, or I aspire to be a great leader, then what are, what's the gap?

[00:25:12] Jasmine Hawthorn: What do I need in terms of people to get me there? What do I need to study to get me there? What, who do I need to connect with to get me there? And so there's that. There's this kind of analysis of where I am today and where I want to be and known for tomorrow. And then the other piece of that is then actually getting out there and marketing yourself.

[00:25:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: And yes, maybe you're freaked out about LinkedIn. That's okay. We're going to take baby steps. The very first thing you can do is start to tell your leader or meet with other people in the company. And say, Hey I'd love to meet with you for a coffee chat. I saw that you had a great, piece that you did in the town hall.

[00:25:48] Jasmine Hawthorn: And I'd love to learn more about that, but I also love to share more about me. Most people aren't going to do that. That's how I grew my career. I coffee chatted like it was a part time job. And so [00:26:00] when, so people knew when I would come with here's what I do. And here's what I've done before I got to this role.

[00:26:08] Jasmine Hawthorn: And here's what I look forward to doing next. Most great leaders. They're excited about what you do today, but they are always thinking future forward. And so they're curious, they need to know, who do I have in succession, whether from my own team or other people's teams. And the more you brand yourself, meaning pick up the phone, get on someone's zoom meeting and introduce yourself and what you're capable of, what you want to do next.

[00:26:29] Jasmine Hawthorn: You're putting it out there. You're marketing or branding yourself in a way. And I think that it sounds corny or people say, I don't have time when the, when it's time to find a new role and the job description goes up on LinkedIn or on, you know, your, your internet site for your company, that point it's too late at that point, 90 percent of hiring leaders already know who they want.

[00:26:53] Jasmine Hawthorn: You want to be the person they say, Hey, Lori Friday, we're posting a role and I'd love for you to apply [00:27:00] to me those nine promotions in 15 years because I was actively building my brand. I am not waiting for a recession. I'm not waiting for a report. I'm not waiting for my boss to leave and take all their knowledge about how great I am with them.

[00:27:16] Jasmine Hawthorn: I'm sharing my greatness with specific leaders that I know I want to tie myself to. And I think it's not just even the leaders, it's who in your peer group, because someone in that level is going to rise up before you get a promotion. How do you make sure they know who you are and what you're capable of and that branding, it starts right there.

[00:27:35] Jasmine Hawthorn: And then kind of the next layer out is now how do we tell the marketplace? How do we tell them on LinkedIn? And that's more in your control than you think.

[00:27:44] loree_philip, jasmine ... _ dec 28, 2023 001_riverside: Hmm.

[00:27:46] Loree Philip: Yeah, it's, it's interesting when you were talking about it, I was thinking about, it sounds to me like very purposeful networking with a, with a lens of, a piece that we've missed before [00:28:00] on networking is, Already kind of knowing how you're going to present yourself in that environment in advance.

[00:28:08] Loree Philip: Yes. And, and so it's not your, like you're just showing up at the coffee chat and you're just like, So, how's it going? And what are you working on? And what are you have a, Idea already of, of all the things that you've worked on and where I want, where I am now, where I want to be those gaps you talked about.

[00:28:27] Loree Philip: And so I haven't thought about it in that particular way. Jasmine, I appreciate you bringing in that perspective, especially since you have experience doing it yourself. One of the things that I know listeners might be thinking about as we talk about this is yeah, that sounds great, but what if, like, how do I get comfortable talking about myself in this way?

[00:28:50] Loree Philip: Because one of the common things I've seen in talking to. Women after women, is that we are just not [00:29:00] great at promoting ourselves and we feel like we're bragging. We feel like, oh, well, they didn't ask, so I'm not going to tell them kind of thing or even internally downplaying your own capabilities.

[00:29:11] Loree Philip: So if somebody were to ask, you wouldn't even give them the basic facts of, of what you've been up to, how, how should a person handle dealing with those types of self doubts. Yeah,

[00:29:25] Jasmine Hawthorn: And all of that is normal. I want to say that. So you're not like an island by yourself going. I'm the only one who's freaking out.

[00:29:33] Jasmine Hawthorn: Nope. Been there too, right? Even when I renegotiated my salary in a role that I was already in in corporate, I was still like, Oh my God, who, who, who am I? To raise this, right? They should know. But here's the deal. Most leaders, including myself, they know their people, but they're also busy solving so many issues that they don't know everything or they're not in tune as you think they are.

[00:29:56] Jasmine Hawthorn: And it's not for lack of care or concern. They're [00:30:00] just also trying to deliver. And so it is part of our job as individual contributors, as leaders to make sure that the people who pay us know darn well what we're good at. That is part of our job for who I had no clue. She was great at presenting. She just was really good at spreadsheets.

[00:30:22] Jasmine Hawthorn: So we, our spreadsheet queen, give her the things to do pivot tables and she killed it. But when I gave her a mic to do a presentation, I was like, we need to do more of that. And she's I just didn't know if I could. And here's the thing. The more that the people who pay what you're capable of, the more recession proof you become. Okay. So if they only see you with these one or two skill sets and that skill sets no longer needed then it's well, we really like her, but what we need actually is this and they have no clue that you're capable of it. So, number one, it's part of our due diligence as people in a corporation to advocate, not even [00:31:00] advocate, make sure people know, like, here's here's some good out.

[00:31:03] Jasmine Hawthorn: Right? And you can showcase that in your day job. You can showcase that in part of a employee resource group. There's so many ways for you to showcase leadership skills in other aspects. The other thing I would say is. If you're scared, pull out that cell phone of yours, you're on it anyway, I'm telling on you.

[00:31:21] Jasmine Hawthorn: You're on it anyway. Pull out that cell phone and record yourself having this conversation. Okay? So you might even go to chat GPT and draft up like how to have this conversation with my leader or how to, how to open this conversation up to share about myself. Come up with a little script, a few bullet points, but record yourself and what you're going to do is have this honest conversation of.

[00:31:43] Jasmine Hawthorn: Ooh, I didn't like how I said that. I really like that. I should have expounded there a bit. You're the only one who's going to be able to hold that mirror up to yourself and give real time feedback and adjust. And you cannot perfect what you don't produce. So produce the [00:32:00] video, record yourself having this conversation.

[00:32:03] Jasmine Hawthorn: It's going to feel weird. You're going to sweat a little bit because you're human and you actually care and then go, okay, I'm gonna do it again. Give yourself about three, five recordings and then go meet with the person. Because here's the funny thing. Most people aren't going to go have these meetings.

[00:32:18] Jasmine Hawthorn: And you are literally reengineering your DNA to say, I can do hard things. I can do heart things. So now maybe we'll do the next one and the next one. And all of a sudden you're planting these seeds that kill off the self doubt that kill off the imposter syndrome and you're replacing with, you know what, this was difficult, but I figured it out.

[00:32:37] Jasmine Hawthorn: This was difficult or I sweat it through it. But like I got the call, they answered my phone call and someone goes, how did you know? Oh, we had a coffee chat, and so I think part of it is these tools. So to just to be clear for the folks that have taken notes, record yourself, okay, record yourself and then make the edits as you go.

[00:32:57] Loree Philip: There is so much wisdom in there, [00:33:00] Jasmine. It is so true that we have gone through. And learn and grown and taken on challenges and overcome them so many times in our life. And we allow ourselves to let that sink in. And when a new challenge comes up, say, you know what, this isn't the exact same challenge.

[00:33:20] Loree Philip: It's never the exact same challenge. But I can deal with challenges because I've done it here. I've done it here. I've done it here and I have lived to see another day and I'm a better person because of it. Right. And so there is always a fear when you, when somebody tells you to go do something new, that sounds uncomfortable, putting ourselves out there is uncomfortable.

[00:33:46] Loree Philip: But Jasmine gave us some real tangible benefits of. Why we need to start doing these types of things as part of our day to day because [00:34:00] of the realism in the environment, like we're not, we're not in these careers anymore for 30 years, right? People need to know what you're good at. And, and I love the reframe Jasmine around.

[00:34:14] Loree Philip: It is like your employer knowing what you're good at is part of your responsibility to tell them. And I, I had not thought about that way before, but it makes so much sense. Like, how are they supposed to know that you can do this or that, so I appreciate you bringing that in for sure. We're going to start to wrap up the conversation a bit here.

[00:34:38] Loree Philip: Jasmine, I'd love for you to share any last closing thoughts. For our listeners who are women really looking to get out of their comfort zone and take that next step forward and be more intentional about what they want and choosing to go after it. What, what, what [00:35:00] messages do you have for them or last

[00:35:01] Jasmine Hawthorn: thoughts?

[00:35:03] Jasmine Hawthorn: Yeah, I'd say number one, it's never too late. So I mentioned before, whether you think you're further down the road in your career or not, it's never too late to start to become the next version of yourself. And it's required in the next season of where you're going. So it's never too late. Number 2, get in community, whether it's whether it's a virtual community and you're listening in through Laura's podcast, or you join up with a coach in a community, there's something beautiful about going through a shift with others.

[00:35:33] Jasmine Hawthorn: Hold you accountable and to that third piece about accountability, share with someone that you trust of what you want to do next. I mean, oftentimes in my career, it would have been my direct leader that I was sharing some here's my stretch things that I want to go after. And I would tell them because it was also holding me accountable to deliver on it.

[00:35:52] Jasmine Hawthorn: But maybe it's a friend, maybe it's a spouse but share with someone what you're wanting to do so that we kind of don't just slide into [00:36:00] the abyss. And, and miss the mark of delivering for yourself. And the last, last thing is at the end of the day, there's going to be moments where you feel like it's easy to give up on yourself.

[00:36:12] Jasmine Hawthorn: It's easy to go, eh, it's not my time. I would just beg you to think about who you're actually saying no to. Right. I mentioned earlier, my, if I say, if I don't step up in an uncomfortable time, I'm really saying no to my girls. And I will never say no to them, right? Like I want them to have everything available to them.

[00:36:31] Jasmine Hawthorn: And so think about who that is for you. And sometimes that can be a great driving force of you getting, getting out of your comfort zone enough so that you can take the next step.

[00:36:41] Loree Philip: Thank you so much for that, Jasmine. I really appreciate it. If you could share with our audience where they can connect with you and learn more about you and your work.

[00:36:50] Loree Philip: Yes,

[00:36:50] Jasmine Hawthorn: please. So you can find me at on LinkedIn Jasmine Bland Hawthorne. You can find me on Instagram at the [00:37:00] valley pearl or www. thevalleypearl. com. So yes, you can connect with me on all channels, all platforms.

[00:37:07] Loree Philip: Well, I really appreciate your time, Jasmine. You talk the talk, but also walk the walk.

[00:37:12] Loree Philip: I heard so much vulnerability in your sharing of your story and others, and, it definitely came through. And I really appreciate that. Thank you, Laurie. I

[00:37:21] Jasmine Hawthorn: appreciate it. And can't wait to hear about your audience applying some of these and sharing back what they've learned and how they've implemented.

[00:37:29] Jasmine Hawthorn: So best of luck to y'all. Thank you.

[00:37:31] Loree Philip: Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you've enjoyed it, I would love for you to subscribe. If you're already a subscriber, don't forget to share the podcast with a friend.

[00:37:43] Loree Philip: Make sure to tune in next week. Our special guest, Randy Roberts, will be here to teach us how to get our spark back in our careers.

[00:37:52] Loree Philip: I hope you have an amazing week. It's your time to shine. Bye.