#83 – Shifting the Super Mom Mindset: Learn How This Busy Working Mom Reclaimed Her Time and Energy At Home

[00:00:00] Loree Philip: Hi, and welcome to Daring to Leap. I'm your host, Loree Philip. Are you caught up in the super mom mindset, trying to do it all at work and at home without burning out? Listen in as Kelly Hubbell, founder of Sage House, reveals her journey of reclaiming her time and energy at home, all while maintaining a demanding career.

[00:00:24] Loree Philip: We dive into dismantling the supermom myth, tips on outsourcing tasks, and ways to integrate ongoing support into daily life. Let's dive in.​

[00:00:37] Loree Philip: Kelly is a full time working mom of three and founder of Sage House, a platform helping busy parents reclaim their time and energy. Her goal is to help moms on any budget, get the support they deserve so they can feel more present in everything they do, whether it's spending time with their family, growing their business or career.

[00:00:57] Loree Philip: Or doing the things that they [00:01:00] love. She started Sage House because she wanted to share her wisdom and learnings with others and rewrite the narrative to reframe do it all supermom culture and normalize building a village. Welcome to the show, Kelly. Thank you for having me. Wow. Awesome intro. I appreciate that.

[00:01:20] Loree Philip: Of course, of course. Well, we have to let everybody know what you're all about before we dive in and start talking about it. But let's get started. I'd love to hear, cause, cause you, unlike some of our other guests, You are working a full time career, and you are starting, or you did start this company, amazing company supporting moms.

[00:01:44] Loree Philip: So, tell me a bit about what, what was the reason that made you feel like, you know what, I want to start this thing.

[00:01:52] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah, sure. So yes, I am full time working mom of three, but I [00:02:00] started Sage house sort of as a, we can call it a side hustle first my career is in technology and then sales. So I'll first just start by saying that my career in sales has like allowed me a lot of flexibility and just my life as a mom and as a person.

[00:02:20] Kelly Hubbel: And I think, For anyone who's like listening on here, who's like learning about different career paths, I think a career in sales, if you're able to like manage the sort of high pressure, high reward of that role, it can be really amazing for just a general life balance work, family, life, whatever you're trying to balance.

[00:02:41] Kelly Hubbel: So I guess I'll start by saying that because I think it's a good precursor into Like me starting a side business with stage house and I had no intention. Like if I, if you were to ask me three years ago, I would I ever be starting a business? I would say, what are you talking [00:03:00] about? But really the stage house came very organically because what I started doing in order to find more balance.

[00:03:10] Kelly Hubbel: In my life and in my career and with my family, every time I feel like we added a new kid, it was like exponentially harder and harder. And there was more mental load and invisible labor. And so I started just getting really focused on like setting up systems. I'm a very operational oriented person.

[00:03:29] Kelly Hubbel: And I started setting up systems in my home to be able to run it. And then I realized. It didn't just have to be me who was running everything I could actually delegate some of these tasks. And so what we did was we ended up hiring a house manager, and setting up other support systems. So a house manager, a meal prep chef.

[00:03:51] Kelly Hubbel: And by doing that. I started getting, like, calls from other moms in my network who were like, Hey, [00:04:00] I heard that you have these people who support you and your family during the crazy work between two full time working parents. Tell me what you did. And so I started taking calls with other moms.

[00:04:12] Kelly Hubbel: And And then I realized, like, maybe I should just get this all out in the world and like, help other busy parents and moms and working professionals who are starting to think about, like, feeling like, they don't have enough time, how they reclaim their time, how they start to think about.

[00:04:31] Kelly Hubbel: Creating systems and outsourcing. And so really like that's what how SageHouse came to be is it just happened organically, people were asking me how I was doing things and now I'm feeling super passionate about just sharing those with the world and other people.

[00:04:48] Loree Philip: Hmm. It's so cool when it happens organically.

[00:04:51] Loree Philip: It's not this like push, push, push. Like I have this idea and I don't know how to get it to the world is like people are interested [00:05:00] and asking you, Hey, help me out here. I think I want to start this conversation with you, Kelly, to talk about. Let's just walk through this idea that we have to do it yourself, super mom it and have not only a career and all the household responsibilities and all the childcare responsibilities and all of the planning and the birthdays and the, Oh, I also want to be a good friend and a daughter.

[00:05:29] Loree Philip: And so all of this stuff that is put on the shoulders. Of working professionals that also have full lives, right? How, how are you wrapping your head or talking to, to others about squashing that narrative that we have to do it all ourselves?

[00:05:50] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah, I think by the way, yeah, you're absolutely right. And, and we just happen to live in a society and culture that.

[00:05:58] Kelly Hubbel: Has been telling [00:06:00] us women when I say us, I mean like women specifically. I mean, I I'd love to sit here and tell you this wasn't a gendered issue, but it certainly still is. So until it's not, we just have to call it what it is. A society that's been telling us That we can have it all and we can do it all, but still there are inequities, especially in the home

[00:06:21] Loree Philip: that

[00:06:22] Kelly Hubbel: Women are still taking on the lion's share and the majority of household duties, even though they are working similar full time jobs.

[00:06:30] Kelly Hubbel: Jobs, a nine to five, if you will. And so really, I think that the way, I mean, to answer your question, like the way I'm squashing it is I think that I'm just, I am one voice in many, many voices that that are just saying, like pushing back and saying, you know what? We don't have to be do do it all hers and we don't have to be super moms.

[00:06:52] Kelly Hubbel: And in fact, like, I don't think that we should be, using those as compliments anymore. I think that [00:07:00] it's okay to ask for help. And the way that if we start to think about this as like a mindset shift, that's the biggest part of this is like, we don't have to outdo each other anymore. As moms, right?

[00:07:12] Kelly Hubbel: Like we don't all need to be president of the PTA and bringing being the room parent and like, yeah, doing the birthday parties and having beautiful homes and like doing, I just feel like what that's contributing to is decreased mental health. For many moms and parents. And I think we just need to like take a step back and be really realistic about like, what's important, what's important.

[00:07:38] Kelly Hubbel: It is different for every person, which is why like having the ability to like reclaim a time, no matter what that is for someone, it's like giving them the ability to do something that fills their cup feel present in whatever they're doing. And so I think. Yeah. I think it's just like helping people understand that there's this [00:08:00] mindset, mindset shift that like, we don't have to do it all.

[00:08:03] Kelly Hubbel: We can ask for help. And it's not just about like asking for help for like immediate family and friends that might be in our social support system. It's also being okay with stepping outside of that and like finding our own village and building a village.

[00:08:20] Loree Philip: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I think there's this connotation around asking for help, meaning like a one time thing.

[00:08:27] Loree Philip: Like could you come over and take care of the kids for a couple hours so I can go, take a break. That's a one time thing. And you were talking about earlier about systems. So there is a difference between asking for help the one time and building in support. Right. In your day to day life, in your day to day environment, which is what I understand you've done for yourself and what people are like, okay, tell me more about that, right?

[00:08:56] Loree Philip: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:08:58] Kelly Hubbel: So I, an [00:09:00] interesting, I guess, statistic to bring to light, which is 70 percent of, like young, young adults with children, like families live an hour or more away from extended family.

[00:09:15] Loree Philip: So

[00:09:16] Kelly Hubbel: when you think about that, like the majority of us live a far away, away from parents, away from siblings, away from people who a lot of times we.

[00:09:25] Kelly Hubbel: We'd like to call on for help. Hey, can you come watch the kids? Hey, can you take the dog for a walk? Whatever it is. And so I think because of that, sort of evolution in the way that we're living right now, it's like, we have to take responsibility into our own hands of like creating this village of like systems and routine and people who can help us with things.

[00:09:49] Kelly Hubbel: So yeah, you're right. It's not just like, and by the way, like, we can get really creative about this. Sure. It's great to have good friends and neighbors down the street where you can do swaps. Like, Hey, I'll babysit [00:10:00] your kids. You babysit my kids. And like, maybe you, maybe you do get that on our routine on like a consistent basis rather than just like one offs.

[00:10:07] Kelly Hubbel: But then, yeah, there are systems. I mean, there are things that just have to happen and take place like every day, right? Yeah. Laundry is like constantly going in my house, like gross. I mean, kids are eating through things in the pantry. Like the pantry needs to be restocked. Groceries need to be picked up.

[00:10:25] Kelly Hubbel: Like pharmacy needs to be there. Like errands that need to be run. And so I think like once you can start to realize like the breadth of All of those things and like add up all the time that you're spending, like running your household and doing all of those things, you can start to then think, does it have to be me?

[00:10:46] Kelly Hubbel: Do I have to be the one that's running all the errands and doing all these things and like prepping all the food? Like, sure, I enjoy prepping food, but like, do I have the capacity to do that every single day? And is it [00:11:00] okay if it's not me?

[00:11:01] Loree Philip: Yeah, and it's an excellent question because I think there's probably some people watching and listening to this.

[00:11:07] Loree Philip: It's like, kind of feel like it needs to be me, right? Like, because we're, we're, we're in this routine of. Maybe it's around to a kind of a mindset shift around this idea of what a good mom, good like, what, what, what is included in that and, and we have to look at it also, like, if you're so busy doing all these tasks, or if you're not doing them and they're stressing you out.

[00:11:37] Loree Philip: How good are you showing up? Right. So it's kind of like both. We have to start to start to let go the reins a bit around because a lot of these tasks are easy. They just add up, they

[00:11:50] Kelly Hubbel: add up, and they add up. They weigh heavily on our mental load. So I think part of like what I, what I'm preaching, if you will, is like, how can you reclaim [00:12:00] time?

[00:12:00] Kelly Hubbel: Right. Like how could you get back 5, 10, 15 hours a week? But it's not just about the time. To your point, Laurie, it's about the mental load, meaning like the energy and that you're expending thinking about all these things that needs to get done. So that mind space is now taking away from other things we could be spending that mind space on.

[00:12:25] Kelly Hubbel: Like, could we be spending that energy on like our Job, our career, our next, like, what do we want to do next in our career? Like when we're with people, how can I feel more present in this moment with them having a conversation versus running through my to do list? Like that happened for me. I mean, after I had my second, I felt like I was just in this constant hamster wheel of to do listing and I was experiencing really serious anxiety.

[00:12:54] Kelly Hubbel: And I just. started putting a pen to paper and, and writing [00:13:00] down all of the things that were in my head, constantly cycling. Like, like when was the last time I washed all the sheets, I hope like, and how often do they need to be washed? So like you can create systems, right? Like what's my monthly to do list.

[00:13:13] Kelly Hubbel: What's my weekly laundry list and then like, and so that's step one, I feel like is like to take away the overwhelm to take away that like mental load. It's like create a system, get it down on a list, put it like create a routine around it. And then the second step is like, okay, am I now to the point where like I can delegate this to someone else?

[00:13:34] Loree Philip: Yeah, yeah. Let's start with that first one around creating a list because I will tell you that I did this in my business recently where I was, I created, I started creating a list of all of the recurring type of tasks I need to do. And the actual creation of the list stressed me out because then I really got to see like, Oh my goodness, I do all these things [00:14:00] every week.

[00:14:00] Loree Philip: Like it freaked me out. Right. But at the same time, I knew that I needed to do that if I was going to ask somebody else to support me with it. Right. It's like, I can't just, they can't just know, like plop it out of my head that, Oh yeah, I do this and then this and then this and then this. Right. And so tell me a bit about like, what is your advice for somebody to get through that initial?

[00:14:22] Loree Philip: Overwhelm of just starting to see, Oh my gosh, I'm doing all these things or they're writing it down and seeing these are all the things I should be doing, but I'm not doing,

[00:14:31] Kelly Hubbel: yeah, well, I have a very easy answer. And that is you can go on to my website. My stage house. com and take my free quiz. I have an eight question quiz on my website and based on the answers to the eight questions, it adds up all of the things that are probably happening in your home based on your answers and it creates a dashboard that shows how much time you're probably spending and then a task list like a [00:15:00] household task list of all of the things that are probably happening in your home and it assigns a time to them.

[00:15:05] Kelly Hubbel: And a a correct. So how often they're happening. So the first thing I would say is like, don't like, if sure, if you want to just like open up an Excel spreadsheet, like I did and like go crazy, super soup, that would be fun for yourself. Glass of wine. First, maybe I did also say that, like, I've done a lot of the hard work for for you.

[00:15:26] Kelly Hubbel: So like, go and just take my free quiz and go see how much time you're spending and go get the list. Because I do think that's like the, the biggest part of it. And then for, for those who go like a little bit further on the SageHouse journey as they can then like to edit this task list. And by the way, like this, this was the, The initiation, if you will, of like my own personal journey into like outsourcing, reclaiming my time, relieving myself of the mental load because I put this list together and then I [00:16:00] immediately brought it to my husband and I said, look at all these things I'm doing like this.

[00:16:08] Kelly Hubbel: And look, and by the way, like, look at how much time I'm spending. I'm spending upwards of 20 hours a week on top of my full time job managing our household. And his first reaction was. Wow, this looks like a job description, and so anyway, so I would just say like, don't get overwhelmed. I think like go in and, and leverage the work that I've already done for you.

[00:16:34] Kelly Hubbel: And then that's like how I'm working with clients today is like setting up their own custom home systems. So like I'm about to launch a cohort this summer, small group of women and what we're going to do, we, we meet for one hour a week and like every week we are going to work through like one specific home system that they can create and using this framework that I've, that I've put together to create a home system in their home.

[00:16:59] Kelly Hubbel: The best [00:17:00] part is that once you create it, You can, like you said, Laurie, you can then give it to someone else. Like if you're going to hire an assistant, it's just like hiring an executive assistant in your own business. Right. It's like you're on hoarding this person, you can give them this. And it's wonderful for just the division of labor in your home.

[00:17:18] Kelly Hubbel: So with a partner or with kids, like some kids are old enough to be able to like start doing more things around the house. So I'm like having these systems and just saying like, okay, you own the laundry system this week. Or like, you own the pet, pet care this week.

[00:17:36] Loree Philip: Yeah. Yeah. No, thank you for that because I know it can be overwhelming and, but you know, the, having the information is so valuable.

[00:17:44] Loree Philip: Like you're saying, you can see all of the time commitments we have in the home. That's adding additional work to your plate and you can better communicate it when you have the facts and data. Right in front of you, [00:18:00] and you can better share it with others who are hopefully willing to help. I am looking forward to sharing some of the household stuff with my kids as they age, get a little older.

[00:18:12] Loree Philip: So far that hasn't been quite consistent for me, but that's just my experience. So if we do that, we go through and do the list. What could you go back to the second step? Because you, you did mention it earlier, but, what was the next step?

[00:18:27] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah, so really the in terms of doing the the free quiz you can get on you can take the free quiz You can get this list.

[00:18:37] Kelly Hubbel: You can get this dashboard. And then if you feel like you're ready to Hire someone in your home to help you whether it's a It's specific to doing meal prep with whether it's hiring a house manager, which I really think of someone who can basically like do it all and be a second version of you. I have, I have digital courses [00:19:00] that people can take on every my, basically my method for hiring people to help you.

[00:19:08] Kelly Hubbel: I recently just launched a. free five day program and course two, which kind of walks you through taking that quiz, making the invisible visible. And then from there prioritizing those things. So right, you've like, you've got this big list of things and now you can go in and like prioritize things.

[00:19:28] Kelly Hubbel: So there's like a star system I have in there. One star being like, I don't want to do this task. And like five being like, I really like this task and I want to keep it like for me. I really like my plants and like watering my plants. So that's actually not a task that I outsource, even though I spend like an hour on it every week.

[00:19:45] Kelly Hubbel: That's like a five star task for me. So I keep that. Anyway, you can, you can take my free five day program. You can like basically go in prioritize. And then really it's like the sage house method for hiring [00:20:00] someone. Again, you can do that in my digital course. And then I'm launching this six week cohort this summer to get a small group of women together, create home systems.

[00:20:10] Kelly Hubbel: And if they're ready, kick off a recruiting process or hiring their village. So hiring a meal prep chef, hiring a house manager. My goal is to try to get a lot of busy parents and busy professionals help before school starts in the fall. So, like, I really want to try to help. Get like a entire recruiting cycle.

[00:20:31] Kelly Hubbel: Like they find someone, they onboard someone and then like by the time the school starts, they've got someone helping pack lunches for kids every day and do the laundry and anyway, whatever else someone needs help with.

[00:20:43] Loree Philip: When I was listening to that, I was thinking about there's probably.

[00:20:49] Loree Philip: An assumption that some people are making around, it sounds like it's going to be expensive to hire help to do some of these [00:21:00] tasks, which we know are like laundry or meal prep or house manager to me, I'm, I think for those of us that are not used to having those types of expenses. Yeah. It can sound like, okay, well, how much is this going to cost?

[00:21:15] Loree Philip: Like, is it even worth it to, to go through the effort to look for somebody if, if it's outside of my budget or what is, what are your thoughts for people that are like. It's just too expensive.

[00:21:27] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah, sure. No, I think that that's like one of the biggest barriers that I often encounter and actually most people will like completely write off an idea about like hiring someone to help without even really, really, truly considering it.

[00:21:44] Kelly Hubbel: And my advice would be like, just look into it. And just, like, give it, give it a shot in terms of, like, figuring out how much it might cost to have someone work on an hourly [00:22:00] basis to help you with some of these tasks, and then really, like, give yourself some time and space to consider the value of your time.

[00:22:09] Kelly Hubbel: So you know, I would say like really, really think through like what is an extra hour or two or three mean for you in your life? I kind of equate it to, and by the way, like what I find with, with clients is like I hiring a meal prep chef or a house manager Is often way more affordable and approachable and attainable than people think it is.

[00:22:36] Kelly Hubbel: Which is like exactly what I walked through in my digital force. But, you can start small too. Like you can, you can start at like five hours a week or 10 hours a week. And like, one thing I sort of was going to say as I equate it to is like, Just if you think about your investments, because I really consider like having more support and creating your own support system, a [00:23:00] huge investment in like your happiness and your rental out.

[00:23:03] Kelly Hubbel: And if you think about it, similar to like child care. So for those of us who are like working parents. We have like here in here in the US, we don't have some people are getting free preschool. They're starting to pop up here and there, but like we typically have to pay for like daycare and childcare to continue to work when our children are pre public school.

[00:23:27] Kelly Hubbel: Well, like that's a huge investment, right? But we're willing to, we're willing to do it because we understand it's a finite period of time where. We have to like pay a lot of money for someone to watch our kids so that we can work during the day. Because we know by the time they hit public school, we'll be like, phew, so glad I kept my job or whatever it is.

[00:23:45] Kelly Hubbel: Right. Yeah. Investment. So to me, like, I think about it in a very similar way where like, this isn't forever, but like. This is an investment in like your family during a season of life when you could really, really benefit from more [00:24:00] support. So I think some people just need like to hear that and understand like, man, this really is a big mindset shift.

[00:24:05] Kelly Hubbel: And also like, first of all, I've never had a Sage house client start using a house manager, a mail prep chef, and then, and then decide they don't want it anymore. Like it literally becomes something that like, they're like, Oh, I will do whatever it takes. Like, I don't need a new pair of jeans every, every month or once a year or twice a year.

[00:24:23] Kelly Hubbel: Like instead I want this or like, if this means one less vacation day for the family because we can get this for six months, like I'd rather have it. You know what I mean? So. Yeah.

[00:24:34] Loree Philip: Yeah. It's, I think it's good for people to hear. And then it's also good to consider that. If we just start with this idea that say right now, we're all, listeners here, for those of you who are moms, for those of you that are even not moms, but have a lot of home responsibilities, there is this idea that first we got to start with what we talked about earlier, do you [00:25:00] need to be the person to do it all?

[00:25:01] Loree Philip: Right? And then what is it that you could outsource? And that outsourcing doesn't have to be And like right off the bat, go find somebody to hire that outsourcing could be more creative. Like you were talking about earlier around, could I do childcare swaps? Could I enlist the help of my family?

[00:25:19] Loree Philip: If they're close, can I ask my partner? Can I get my kids involved? Can I, so if we can just break down the barrier, that first barrier of, let's just let one thing go, like do the list. See what it looks like. Take the one thing you've just said really adds the most stress to your mental load and figure something out, whether you hire somebody or not, like, don't feel like you have to do everything on your own all the time.

[00:25:51] Loree Philip: Because a lot of us are there at the, at the very beginning, looking at all the stuff on our plates.

[00:25:58] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah,

[00:25:58] Loree Philip: I

[00:25:59] Kelly Hubbel: totally agree [00:26:00] with you. 1 thing I'll also mention just on that sort of theme of, like, taking 1 thing off your plate and going back to what we were just talking about. talking about in terms of like affordability.

[00:26:13] Kelly Hubbel: I mean, I've crunched the numbers every which way and having a meal prep chef drop off food for my family on Mondays that we can eat for like Monday through Friday, it kind of keeps us sustained is less expensive than me. Like, doing a, like doing a blue apron type thing or, and it's less wasteful.

[00:26:34] Kelly Hubbel: And, it is like, just. or like eating out, like basically like it's less expensive for me and my family net net to have a meal prep chef. So I guess I'll just mention that, like having, like reimbursing someone for groceries and paying them for their time to prep food for you actually ends up being a, very affordable situation.

[00:26:57] Loree Philip: Yeah. And I, [00:27:00] I, I I would assume that, like, our first instinct would be it would be too expensive and I think where we have is the spectrum of areas where we can get support and first we have to be able to let it go, identify it and then find options and for people that are interested in going to that, even that next step to say, hey, somebody could come in and do meal prep for me.

[00:27:23] Loree Philip: I mean, that sounds amazing. And a big time constraint. For a lot of people, especially when you're working and commuting, if you're commuting now, again, after COVID and you, you're just that, that time in your day has getting shorter and shorter to do that kind of thing. And so we looked at all the options, right?

[00:27:45] Loree Philip: Yeah. You would be surprised how some of these things can be affordable, but also like. We're just trying to be open to about it, like, what if, what if somebody came in, if you sent a meal planning [00:28:00] chef to me, and I got to try it for a week, I bet you, Kelly, I'd be like, I'm keeping this.

[00:28:07] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah, it's life changing.

[00:28:09] Loree Philip: Yeah.

[00:28:10] Kelly Hubbel: I mean, no longer am I like scrambling at 5pm to go pick up all my kids. Get them home, unload backpacks while also making dinner for everyone while they're like screaming at me that they're super hungry. Like that's just stressful. I mean that's like brings the whole stress in our home up and instead what I do now is just like reheat something and it's ready to go and like it's zero stress.

[00:28:36] Kelly Hubbel: So, I mean, to me, that's like worth its weight in gold.

[00:28:40] Loree Philip: Mm hmm. What are we missing from this conversation, Kelly, that you can think of that is important for people to hear on this idea of reclaiming their time, finding some more hours during the week to, to let go of?

[00:28:54] Kelly Hubbel: I think that if, I guess what's top of mind for me, because I was just reading actually, like, a [00:29:00] testimonial from a client of mine who just said, like, She was able to find her sense of self again after like reclaiming her time and relieving herself of mental load and basically like, you know what, that, that looks so different for everyone, but it's like, I think in motherhood and like, when we're really, really doubled down on our career or professional, whatever that is, it's like, we forget to like, diversify our time and like spend time doing things that like really fill our cup whether it's like going to an exercise class or like doing art or something creative.

[00:29:42] Kelly Hubbel: And so I just think like, If we can free up ourselves a couple of hours a week and get away from this like hamster wheel of household duties and responsibilities and like spend time doing something that really fills us out. I think that there are so many, [00:30:00] benefits to doing that. And I also think like, for those of us who are parents, like our kids are watching us and they're seeing us and they are, they're, they're.

[00:30:10] Kelly Hubbel: We have to practice what we preach because I feel like we're telling our kids like, fill your cup and like do things that you're passionate about. And like, and if we're not doing them ourselves, then it's kind of rude.

[00:30:22] Loree Philip: Yeah, that, that's an excellent point, especially around the modeling and, and showing, I think it's both too, especially if you can get people in your, In your home to support the family efforts, then you're also modeling that, that we support each other and that all of the, the load isn't on one, one person in the family or more share on that one person that, that we all have, Can use our time the best that we can to support each other.

[00:30:58] Loree Philip: So I appreciate [00:31:00] that Kelly. And I appreciate you and your time. If you could share, we're going to start to wrap up. If you can share with the audience where they can learn more about you and your work.

[00:31:12] Kelly Hubbel: Yeah. So thank you for having me. I appreciate you. And I totally agree with you. Like, I think if we can work together to change this narrative and, really encourage people and especially busy moms to get more help and build their village.

[00:31:26] Kelly Hubbel: I think we're all going to be in a better, in a better place. So you can find me, my website is my sage house. com houses spelled H a U S. You can also find me on Instagram at my sage house, which is mostly where I hang out is on Instagram. And you can, and that's also where you can find like my free five day course through my Instagram on my stand store.

[00:31:49] Kelly Hubbel: And I think we'll probably link it here in the show notes. And yeah, I mean, I am certainly, So happy to connect like with anyone who's even just [00:32:00] considering outsourcing or reclaiming their time or like thinking about how to relieve themselves of the mental load. And I'm doing, I'm always available for like 15 minute discovery calls with anybody.

[00:32:13] Kelly Hubbel: So I'm totally open to it. Would love to hear from, from any of your listeners.

[00:32:18] Loree Philip: Great. Well, thank you so much for your time, Kelly. And I really appreciate you. I appreciate you. Thank you.

[00:32:26] Loree Philip: Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you've enjoyed it, I would love for you to subscribe. If you're already a subscriber, don't forget to share the podcast with a friend. Make sure to tune in next week. We will be speaking with Aline Henley about intuitive strategy and how you can be systematically on purpose. I hope you have an amazing week. It's your time to shine. Bye.

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