#73 – Everyday Magic: Learn How to Find Happiness Right Where You Are | Empowerment & Career Advice

[00:00:00] Loree Philip: Hi, and welcome to Daring to Leap. I'm your host, Loree Philip. Have you ever wondered if happiness could be hiding in plain sight right in your everyday life? Tune in today as Lynn Glodner invites us to discover the magic in the mundane and learn how embracing the ordinary can lead to an extraordinary life.

[00:00:25] Loree Philip: Let's dive in.

[00:00:27] Loree Philip: Lynn is the author of nine books, a writing coach and marketing entrepreneur, and the host of the make meaning podcast. Lynn leads writers retreats and writing classes around the world.

[00:00:41] Loree Philip: She lives in Detroit, Michigan with her husband and a rotating array of her four young adult children. Welcome to the show, Lynn. Thank you so much for having me Lori. It's great to be here. Yeah, it's so great to have you here And I love having [00:01:00] people on the show from different backgrounds and perspectives And I actually haven't had a writer on the show in a while like a writing coach a writing teacher So this is gonna be really fun Awesome.

[00:01:13] Loree Philip: What I really like to start with you though is Is I'm guessing you did not start your career doing this work. Talk to me about some of the pivots you've had along the way.

[00:01:26] Lynne Golodner: Yeah. So I've always been a writer. But when I was younger, I really thought I had to fit that into a box. Like, what can I do? It's going to pay me.

[00:01:35] Lynne Golodner: So I can't just. Jump into the world and say, I'm going to write books, which is what I wanted to do. So I started as a journalist. I lived in New York city and in Washington, DC. And then I came back to Detroit in the late nineties. And I, I wrote for magazines and newspapers across the country for about 15 years.

[00:01:55] Lynne Golodner: And I loved it. I also did an MFA in writing a master of fine [00:02:00] arts. And that led me to have my first book published. It was my master's thesis, which was a manuscript of poetry. And it was great. It was picked up by a publisher in time for my graduation. So I came to graduation with a box of books, which was really cool.

[00:02:16] Lynne Golodner: And I always wanted to be writing books, but I figured I'd do it on the side. So indeed, from 1996 until 2013, I wrote eight books, two collections of poetry, six nonfiction books. That grew out of my journalism and curiosity and everything. They were always labors of love on the side. I never expected to make money from it.

[00:02:38] Lynne Golodner: I just was doing it to satisfy my own curiosity. And I also taught English at the university level from my master's degree, which enabled me to do so. But in 2007 Everything was changing. If you remember, that's when the economy was spiraling downward. Personally, I was actually initiating a divorce [00:03:00] and I had three little kids and journalism was affected by the economic downturn.

[00:03:06] Lynne Golodner: So a lot of my regular editors and outlets were closing up shops. And so I needed to figure out how I was going to support my kids in this troubled economy. And that's when I started a company. So it was my first pivot and the company is called your people. It's marketing and public relations. And I still do it.

[00:03:26] Lynne Golodner: I shrink it a few years ago when I made my second pivot which was when I wanted to come back to my writing self and say, if I consider myself a writer, I'm It's really what I should be doing the majority of the time. And as I'm getting older, I don't want to just keep waiting for some day. So I, I, I really sort of shifted everything in my life.

[00:03:47] Lynne Golodner: I shrank the business. I just, I kept a few clients for bread and butter income, but decided that if I took out anybody new, it would have to be somebody in writing. So authors, publishers, things like that. And I ramped [00:04:00] up my teaching. I started teaching mostly midlife women creative writing and all different aspects of it.

[00:04:07] Lynne Golodner: It's really teaching a lot of confidence and self belief to empower people to be able to write. And I started writing novels. And so my goal was to It's a book a year for the rest of my life, and I am on track to hit that. So my first novel came out in September of 2023. I have a novel coming out in August 2024 and I'm just starting to write the next one.

[00:04:31] Lynne Golodner: So I've had quite a few pivots throughout my career.

[00:04:34] Loree Philip: Wow. Wow. And I'm just curious about your goal. Is it to write a book a year or to have one published? Because it sounds like they're publishing every year. Yeah.

[00:04:44] Lynne Golodner: Yes. So both actually, write a book a year that is a publication worthy and ready to be out in the world.

[00:04:52] Lynne Golodner: And actually for that reason even though my first eight books were published by publishers, I decided to [00:05:00] create my own publishing house and put my books out through that and also help other women at midlife who wanted to write and be published. And I decided to do that because the publishing industry just doesn't have the mechanism to do a book a year from a writer.

[00:05:17] Lynne Golodner: So I decided to do it myself.

[00:05:19] Loree Philip: Yeah, meaning that they're too slow.

[00:05:23] Lynne Golodner: Well, yes, because there's so many authors that like, they're going to try to vary it. And, I understand the business of it very well. So the truth is that authors today, even when they're published by big, big New York Publishers.

[00:05:38] Lynne Golodner: They still have to do most of their own marketing. And so when I realized that I have a marketing company, I know how to do this. I thought why am I going to jump through hoops to make other people money when I have to do it anyway? And so I thought I'd give this a try and it's been so much fun.

[00:05:55] Loree Philip: Yeah. And before we get into the main topic of today, I just want [00:06:00] to kind of foot stomp what you just said and, and what I think is so cool about it is that Lynn here. And this is for our listeners. Lynn here had this goal. And instead of fitting herself into the mold that existed in the current, industry that she was working in through writing and being an author, she decided to create her own seat at the table to become the publisher, to make sure.

[00:06:31] Loree Philip: That she could fulfill what she wanted to do and basically take out the middleman. Right. And so I think that's so cool in and it's one of those things that we forget when we're thinking about What are the options on the table for us? what is in the art of the possible for us and we put all these constraints on just because of What exists today without even thinking [00:07:00] well, what if I could do it myself or how could I change this to fit?

[00:07:04] Loree Philip: What I actually want and so I really want to Congratulate you for doing that and it sounds like it's been quite successful for you

[00:07:12] Lynne Golodner: Thank you. It has. And I was a little nervous because when I was coming up in journalism, you really didn't self publish. So I sort of had that stigma still deeply embedded.

[00:07:23] Lynne Golodner: But it's so different now. And I really love that There's great technology and great software and just so many channels that it's accessible to anybody. And the truth is that quality of writing is subjective. I mean, there are books on the shelves and bookstores that are from big time publishers that are mediocre.

[00:07:44] Lynne Golodner: And. And there are fantastic books by self published authors. So I think, I think it's really important to envision your life the way you think it needs to go and make it happen, even if it means thinking or living outside the box.

[00:07:59] Loree Philip: [00:08:00] Right. Right. And I just, I wanted to bring that up because through your whole story, I heard that right away.

[00:08:06] Loree Philip: I'm like, Oh, good for you. That's amazing. So we're going to pivot here a bit and the topic that we're going to talk about today is around finding the courage to love the ordinary and seeking satisfaction where you are right now in what you're doing. And we were talking a little bit about this before we jumped on.

[00:08:30] Loree Philip: And I said, which is kind of funny, because On Daring to Leap, we're like, we're moving, we're shaking, we're trying to grow as women and people and become the version of ourselves that we want to be to go do that. But I also don't want us to miss out on loving our existing life and being okay with it.

[00:08:52] Loree Philip: Talk to me Lynn about why this topic is so important to you and kick us [00:09:00] off with this topic.

[00:09:01] Lynne Golodner: Yeah, so that was sort of the major theme of my first novel, Woman of Valor because this is about a young woman who, chooses to become religious in Judaism and she's living a very domestic life and she's really happy with it.

[00:09:16] Lynne Golodner: And I thought about that this is what I wanted for the character, but it's also what I want for myself. And yes, I'm always on the go. I'm always coming up with new ideas. Most entrepreneurs do most entrepreneurs are, are constantly evolving and creating new products and services. And, and that's me for sure, but we don't want to miss out on.

[00:09:37] Lynne Golodner: All that is good in this moment, and I think a lot of times most people are looking ahead or looking back we're looking ahead at I'll be happy if I get here, I do this, I have this much or whatever or we look back and say, oh, gosh, it was so great when I was whatever age and that both of those take us out of the moment.

[00:09:59] Lynne Golodner: And the reality [00:10:00] is that all we have is this moment. And so if we're constantly, yearning for something else we're never actually living. So I think it's really important that even as we plan, even as we dream, we do take time to, to look around and say, this is really good right now. I'm grateful for what I have.

[00:10:19] Lynne Golodner: I'm, I'm honored by these relationships or, or whatever it may be. And I find that for me when I'm in the moment and I'm not worried about before or what came what comes next I met my happiest. And so I think we have to find a balance of striving and leaping and doing all those exciting things and cherishing right now.

[00:10:43] Lynne Golodner: That's super important.

[00:10:44] Loree Philip: Yeah. I also find this to be really, really important. And I think we'll get to this point later on too. But, when you're choosing to seek out what's good in what you have [00:11:00] right now, it shifts your energy. And I would argue that being in this place will help you accelerate whatever you're trying to do.

[00:11:11] Loree Philip: In the future, those bigger goals, those next moves, that kind of thing. And it made me think of, so I was part of this I was actually the only book I've ever been a part of, it just came out, it was a, collaborative book. Okay, the art of the art of connection and it was 365 days of gratitude. So cool.

[00:11:35] Loree Philip: And so all the, all the collaborating authors had one page where they wrote a quote about gratitude and my quote, and I'm going to, I don't even know if I'm going to get my quote exactly right, but my, the essence of my quote was around that the key or the secret to a magical life. is to stay rooted in the, stay grateful [00:12:00] for what you have right now while pursuing the dreams of your heart.

[00:12:04] Loree Philip: Yeah, for sure. And if you could do both, then that would be magical, right? It's good enough if you just want to be happy with your life right now, but then also being able to chase your dreams is like, whoa. Yeah, and that's where I feel like right now, like, whoa, but, what were some of the challenges that you face when in implementing this?

[00:12:25] Loree Philip: Idea into your day to day

[00:12:28] Lynne Golodner: interesting my dad and I were super close and he was an entrepreneur and I've been an entrepreneur now since 1998. So it's a long time. And there were always waves of uncertainty or self doubt. And I would call my dad and say Oh my gosh, what if I lose a big client?

[00:12:47] Lynne Golodner: Or what if I don't I set these goals for my business and what if I don't get there? Whatever it was. And he, he would say, Do the work in front of you and there will always be work. And that was [00:13:00] such a powerful statement because when I focused on doing the best job I could for the clients I had or the endeavors I was working on at the moment, they were satisfied.

[00:13:09] Lynne Golodner: And, and that sort of led to goodwill and word of mouth marketing that they would refer me and I would get new business. And, and it was all about being in the moment, even as I had a grander vision. For my business. And so I really try to remember that, like just do the work in front of me and, and it will lead to more.

[00:13:29] Lynne Golodner: It will, it will take me where I want to go and there's no shortcut. There's no easy way around it. It's just being in it and, and focusing forward. So I think that that was a huge lesson. It's not easy to be an entrepreneur. Everything's on your shoulders all the time. And I mean, it's exciting.

[00:13:48] Lynne Golodner: That's exhilarating. And the truth is that the sky's the limit. And when you dream it, you can get there cause nobody else is sort of putting a ceiling over your potential. But it, it can [00:14:00] be taxing. It can be like, wow, it's all on my shoulders all the time. And so I happen to have a great partner, my husband, who is a nice voice of reason and a great cheerleader when I need him to be.

[00:14:13] Lynne Golodner: And so when I, when I feel like I'm at the edge he'll sort of talk me back from it and sort of help me remember all that I've done and all that I can do. And it puts it into focus so that. I'm no longer overwhelmed. So it's, I think it's important to have those supports around you so that, it just keeps you going forward on the path you've dreamed of and not derailing yourself with insecurities.

[00:14:39] Loree Philip: Yeah, yeah. Support is such a good thing to have. And we actually talk about this quite frequently because I think it is in our nature to want to do everything on our own, to shoulder everything on our own and not to lean into the support [00:15:00] systems that we have oh, they're too busy. Oh all of those.

[00:15:05] Loree Philip: Those assumptions we make about people and thinking that you're going to be a burden on them if you reach out to them for support. So I think two things, Lynn, yes. So get support, but also give yourself permission to ask for the support that you need. And because it's there, we have so much support that we don't tap into.

[00:15:26] Loree Philip: I have so much support that I don't tap into it is this like, we, we are limiting ourselves constantly around. The box we have around us. So in seeking the ordinary, I'm curious there was this theme of people pleasing in there and what, how does that play in where, where are we wanting more because we're also, or not okay with what we have because of society and keeping up with the Joneses and [00:16:00] trying to please everybody or how do you see that play into this conversation?

[00:16:05] Lynne Golodner: Well, I think it's normal to seek validation and approval, but I don't think it's healthy. And I've spent decades trying to shed that, that desire for approval from others because it does more about them than it does about you. And so we have to remember that, that if somebody feels threatened or triggered, they're going to be negative towards you and it's really their issue.

[00:16:28] Lynne Golodner: So I I've studied with Tara Moore. She's a great author and consultant. And she talks about the need to not seek validation or criticism or like how trusting that inner voice is so important. Now that said, as a writer, I definitely need feedback from. Other writers when, when I'm working on a piece and I need to know if the story is working and so I have to choose carefully and take their feedback, but [00:17:00] generally in life, while we may want people to affirm what we're doing or like us in the end, it's far more important that we.

[00:17:10] Lynne Golodner: Validate ourselves that we like who we are. And so if you can free yourself from the need for approval or validation, you're, you, you're going to like release the shackles because it really is when you're trying to get other people to like you or to approve of you, you're fitting into their molds, into their picture of who you should be.

[00:17:31] Lynne Golodner: And the reality is that you should be the person you think. You need to be, you need to step into those shoes, even if it's totally different than what you see around you the best leaders really make it up as they go along. They trust their instincts and then we all follow them because they're so independent and brave and, sort of daring to see things differently. And I think it's it is courageous and it's funny. I, I [00:18:00] mean, on a personal note I was born Jewish. I've always been Jewish. It's part of my author brand, but I've, I've been a part of different communities in the Jewish world. Some secular, some more religious over time.

[00:18:13] Lynne Golodner: And I've come to a point where I say I'm, I'm just Jewish like I, I don't fit any of the boxes and I, I take from all, but I shed from all equally and I'm really comfortable with that, but it doesn't fit very easily into certain denominations or communities or whatever. So you have to be strong in who you are if you're going to buck the trends and, and sort of blaze your own path.

[00:18:41] Lynne Golodner: You have to, you have to show up your strength and confidence in order to do that. And it's a process that takes time for sure, but it's so worth it. Hmm.

[00:18:51] Loree Philip: Do you have any tips that you've used to kind of get to know who you are and at [00:19:00] on a deeper level over the years that, that have really helped you?

[00:19:05] Lynne Golodner: Yeah. I think journaling is a great tool. There's a book by Julia Cameron, The Artist's Way, which is really helpful in figuring that out. So I bought it, oh my God, decades ago, but I'd go back to it every so often. Okay. I also have studied with all different kinds of leaders and thinkers and from all different countries in the world, just to sort of see what's out there.

[00:19:30] Lynne Golodner: And I think when you start to understand how different people think or different communities thrive, you, you start to see similarities between all of us, but you also start to see like different approaches to to, to, to doing things, to, to being human. And that I think gives you permission. To define it for yourself.

[00:19:49] Lynne Golodner: So studying a lot of different disciplines and lineages has really empowered me with the knowledge that there are so many ways to look at, [00:20:00] at life and no one way is the absolute right one. So that builds some confidence too.

[00:20:06] Loree Philip: Yeah, that's a great perspective, Lynn. It's interesting because I think we get caught up.

[00:20:13] Loree Philip: So it's so easy to get caught up and, and I would never we're not trying to point the finger at anybody because we all get caught up in what society is telling us. We're like programmed constantly through media, through, through every interaction we have. And so, Where possible, if you can really root very deeply into yourself, who you are, what are you, what do you value?

[00:20:37] Loree Philip: What are your strengths? What do you bring to the table that nobody else brings to the table? Because that is where a person can really stand out and shine because there is no other person exactly like you. So when we go around our life, trying to please others, we end up being a lesser version of [00:21:00] ourselves.

[00:21:00] Loree Philip: And, and it doesn't, it's just less effective. It's less fulfilling is a constant need for validation. It's not a good place to be. And so when we step back and talk a bit about the idea of, seeking satisfaction in the day to day, in the ordinary, What have you noticed for yourself?

[00:21:27] Loree Philip: Like, how does it feel when you can just really extract, you know what, everything is fine. This moment is fine. My life is actually great. I mean, if we look at it, if people were to take a look at where you are right now and where you were five years ago, most likely you're way better off. Yeah, and what happens At least the way I notice it is we forget we even notice it's like our our day to day is just like oh Yeah, this is this is my life.

[00:21:55] Loree Philip: Whatever i'm on to the next thing, right? So Talk to me a bit about some of the [00:22:00] benefits of really like Letting that be The way it is and being happy with it.

[00:22:06] Lynne Golodner: So I've been obsessed for years with the idea of purpose and meaning. It's how it's what led me to start the make meaning podcast is how do people find meaning and purpose and working in life.

[00:22:18] Lynne Golodner: But I've been focused on this for decades. And I, when I was a journalist, I wrote about it. And I used to have a tagline like writing about how people find meaning in the mundane. And that really struck me as like, most of us are pretty ordinary people. Most of us are not movie stars or NBA athletes or whatever.

[00:22:36] Lynne Golodner: We're just average people in. Wherever we live, we're not in like the big hotspots of the world and we have pretty good lives and there's something really special about each of us. And so looking for that meaning in the mundane is really important and it's powerful. Like, I mean, I live in a suburb and I, but I love so many elements of my life and [00:23:00] even when I go in my backyard and I, and I.

[00:23:03] Lynne Golodner: Plant my garden and I nurture it over the summer, which I love to do. There's something really profound about that. Like I'm, I'm growing things in the earth and then I'm feeding my family and that's pretty powerful. So like, celebrating the ordinary, I feel like that's where we have to sort of immerse in, in, in our ordinariness and celebrate it because.

[00:23:25] Lynne Golodner: That's what makes each of us extraordinary that's that I'm different from you and I have my my own purpose. I may not know what it is but I'm trying my best to make an impact that meet that's meaningful and Just looking at the little things each day. I think that's where real happiness is I really do I'm traveling at the Ton over the past few months for my book and so my husband and I have been apart a lot and And I I have to say I just love being home with him like it sounds so silly [00:24:00] and boring But like making dinner together, you know sitting on the couch in sweats, whatever it is, it's just like a really great way to spend an evening.

[00:24:12] Lynne Golodner: And that's as ordinary as it comes. And I think that there's joy in that. I really do. Hmm.

[00:24:21] Loree Philip: Yeah. I, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I really do. And I think we're, and I bet a lot of other people do as well, but I think where we, I. I. Where I'm challenged to enjoy that moment, where I'm challenged to, see the meaning in the mundane, is that I get stuck.

[00:24:42] Loree Philip: So busy in my head, distracted with my to do lists and I have young kids and I have like, how do, how do you manage to let go of some of those [00:25:00] things so that you can notice? The meaning in the mundane,

[00:25:04] Lynne Golodner: It's hard when you have little kids. I mean, I remember when I look back, I think very fondly to that time, but I remember being sweaty all the time, stressed and tired or whatever.

[00:25:14] Lynne Golodner: Yeah. We sort of lock out those moments and see it all like idyllic, but like even then I remember involving my kids in ordinary things like making food. We would, or when I would make bread they, I'd let them stand on chairs at the counter and they'd like punch the dough to knead it and it was like so great to be there together.

[00:25:36] Lynne Golodner: And each of us was really into it. And that's a very ordinary moment, but it creates special memories. And so I think that we have to grab those little things and see them for what they are, which is a way to build our relationships, a way to build a life. I mean, some of my fondest memories with my kids when they were little were cooking together.

[00:25:59] Lynne Golodner: And, [00:26:00] and even dinners, like we always had family dinner was a big deal for me. And there's so much research about how important it is for kids and how it keeps them on the straight and narrow and getting good grades and all these things. But we would have dinner together most nights of the week.

[00:26:15] Lynne Golodner: My kids would invite other kids over and we'd sit there and we'd talk and we'd ask questions and it was always homemade food. And I think that that's really grounding and it makes, it builds confidence for you and a sense of, of acceptance and belonging somewhere. And that shores you up to be strong when you go forward into the world.

[00:26:37] Lynne Golodner: So how much more ordinary than is that than a family dinner? It's just some people might say, Oh, boring, but I think it's the, it's the foundation of a good life.

[00:26:47] Loree Philip: Yeah. And it comes back, I think, to what we. What we each personally want, like that to you is meaningful and you look at it and you look back on it and [00:27:00] we can all look back on and do some reflection on what moments stand out to you.

[00:27:06] Loree Philip: Were they day to day moments? Were they these big moments? Like, how can we integrate more of those into our lives? Because back to something you said earlier is that our life is. In the now, in the present moment, right? And so, of course, we'll be happier if we're enjoying our present day today. Because that is where our life is.

[00:27:35] Loree Philip: And

[00:27:36] Lynne Golodner: if go ahead. No, I'm sorry. It brings up a really great memory, which is when my husband and I took our kids to Disney World. And we thought like, that's the quintessential American family thing to do. And it's not cheap. So we were like saving for it and planning. And our kids were between five and nine years old.

[00:27:53] Lynne Golodner: And we were like, okay, we're doing this great parenting thing. Like yay us. And it was like the worst trip we've [00:28:00] ever taken not to mention the four out of the six of us got sick. And so we saw like an urgent care in Orlando, Florida more than anything else. But the kids just wanted to play in the pool and eat pizza and they didn't really care about the parks.

[00:28:16] Lynne Golodner: And it was always trying to like please everybody all at once, which means you're never pleasing anyone. And when I think about the vacations that Really were fantastic. They were like a rented house somewhere near some forest trails and making dinners and sitting outside around a campfire and, and just being together in a pretty calm place.

[00:28:36] Lynne Golodner: And so I think that that's a great example of. What we're talking about, which is that sometimes the ordinary is the best place to be. It just really helps you know who you are and what matters. And when we try to jump through all these hoops and we try to like I was just playing tennis this morning and next week is spring break and everybody is like [00:29:00] Oh, where are you going on spring break?

[00:29:01] Lynne Golodner: And all these people are taking this huge, fancy trips. And I'm like, yeah, no, we're going to be here. We're just hanging out, so I think. I think we need to put in perspective what really matters and And sometimes that's the ordinary, it really is. Mm hmm.

[00:29:19] Loree Philip: And when you think about why that's courageous, in your mind, what, what makes it so courageous to be okay with ordinary?

[00:29:31] Lynne Golodner: Well, I think that we've always been concerned with what everybody else is doing and do we measure up and now with social media, it's, it's magnified I mean, I don't know about you, but when I'm on it, I'm like, oh, I could be doing this or I should be doing that. And then when I get off, I have to see.

[00:29:48] Lynne Golodner: Stay to myself and what is real and I have a good life and there's so much temptation around us to, follow what other people are doing, to [00:30:00] mimic them, to try to keep up that. I think it's courageous to say I'm, I'm great as I am. This life was great as it is, and I don't need to compete with anybody else.

[00:30:12] Lynne Golodner: It was part of our culture and our society to be competitive, but I don't know that it's a good thing. I think it's a, it's a reality, but I think the more courageous thing is to say no, I'm not striving for the CEO position or the highest salary or the new car or whatever. I'm just, I'm just striving for happiness and then I'll be content.

[00:30:36] Lynne Golodner: I think that's courageous. I do. It

[00:30:38] Loree Philip: goes against the grain. And that's where, when you're not in with the crowd, there's some courage around that. But also I think there was something in there that you said that made me think about, if we can just. See where we have, what we have right now and [00:31:00] be, see its greatness, see all the good things about it, come from that place of, my life's pretty good.

[00:31:07] Loree Philip: And you could even compare that to, other people's lives and like third world countries. If it's, if you're not, if you're like, gosh, my life is stressed or saying something like that, it's like, well, you have it pretty good if you look at it and it is what is right. Like you can't, that is your life.

[00:31:30] Loree Philip: And no matter what you say about it, it's still your life. So it's like embracing what is. Trying to enjoy it as much as you can, and I still think there is so much room there and power in then saying even I love this life, but even better if I go for this next thing. And have that be something exciting, but not coming from a place for, from like, I hate my life.

[00:31:59] Loree Philip: So I'm [00:32:00] going to go do this or my life is just blah. So I'm going to go do this instead. But coming, it's, it's more empowering to say I'm on a great spot and I'm striving to, to do something even more exciting or better for me and not. Yeah,

[00:32:16] Lynne Golodner: I love that. I think that, it's about having realistic expectations.

[00:32:20] Lynne Golodner: So because when you're always comparing yourself to someone else, you're always trying to get there. It's sort of like a constantly moving goal. But when you have realistic expectations about I'm, I made this choice and I'm going to love it. I have all of this and I'm going to spend time focusing on it.

[00:32:37] Lynne Golodner: Then you're redefining what your happiness is and it's much more attainable. When it's not attainable, it's, You're good. You're never going to be happy. You're always going to be chasing. Hmm.

[00:32:48] Loree Philip: Yes. I think that's a really, powerful point to wrap up the conversation. I'd love to hear any last closing thoughts you have for our listeners that are just, about [00:33:00] making meaning in the mundane or anything like that to close this out Lynn.

[00:33:04] Lynne Golodner: Yeah, I really believe. I mean, listen, as far as we know, we have this one life and you should make it something that you really love and that you're proud of and not wait because we don't know if we have tomorrow. I mean, hopefully, but but none of us knows that. And so if there's something you want to do, if there's a part of you that you've been suppressing, you, Let's just move forward in a different way be the person you really want to be.

[00:33:30] Lynne Golodner: Go for the goal and trust yourself that it's, that it's worthwhile and that you can get there.

[00:33:36] Loree Philip: Hmm. Thank you for that, Lynn. Where can our listeners reach out to learn more about you and your work?

[00:33:44] Lynne Golodner: Yeah. So lynngeladner. com is my website. I have lots of websites, but that's the one to look at. And you can Google me.

[00:33:50] Lynne Golodner: I'm, I'm everywhere, my podcast, but also on all the socials. So follow me and say that you saw me here and I will be really excited to connect.

[00:33:59] Loree Philip: [00:34:00] Well, I thank you for, for your perspective, your time, and just really having an authentic conversation with me today.

[00:34:07] Loree Philip: Thanks for having me, Laurie. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If you've enjoyed it, I would love for you to subscribe. If you're already a subscriber, don't forget to share the podcast with a friend. Make sure to tune in next week. We will be speaking with Andrea Johnson about how your core values are the key to having the impact that you desire.

[00:34:32] Loree Philip: I hope you have an amazing week. It's your time to shine. Bye.